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I have recently read on this Q & A site that the rule of thumb that 37 000kJ is required to burn 1kg of fat is incorrect. I have been down-voted by some for quoting this figure.

Is it true that the above relationship is a rough estimate of fat loss, or has it been shown to be untrue. I'm interested in seeing any studies you can give that indicate your point of view.

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One issue with "X calories deficit = Y lbs of weight loss" is that it requires knowing your daily calorie burn, but that figure will start changing as soon as you start losing weight, or changing your diet and activities. – Kate Jan 25 '13 at 2:43
The comments on this answer are pretty close to what you want, Chris. There's also significant discussion in this question. – Dave Liepmann Jan 25 '13 at 6:28
@michael generally has something to say on this topic; maybe he could chime in with a definitive answer. These comments and this chat may be of relevance, the latter containing a link to a study as well as some criticism of that study. – Dave Liepmann Jan 25 '13 at 6:42
Agreed. It was discussions with @michael that led me to dig further into the current research, and I've found that while caloric deficit (more than diet) is the biggest factor in weight loss, it's not a straight 3500 cals = 1 lb of fat loss. It is still a mantra repeated in most textbooks, but it's much more complicated than that. – JohnP Jan 25 '13 at 14:33
@JohnP That's awesome. I think that this question is really begging for multiple semi-competing comprehensive answers that talk about those complexities of where the 3500 calories idea breaks down. Unfortunately I'm not knowledgeable enough on that side of things. – Dave Liepmann Jan 25 '13 at 17:56

I have my own personal research data.

I monitored my fat loss using the tape measure methods combined with weight in kg over 3 years, half the time I would be strict at different monthly intervals. Male, 27 through to 31 years at 175 cm tall weight range between 68 and 77. I put muscle on easy but also gain weight easy but that's because I love food way too much.

Anyway I was losing 2cm a week from my stomach circumference with average daily deficit of approximately 4000kj, this equates to 1kg of body fat in my calculations per week, note that's body fat not total weight.

After calculating this you can see I burn 28000 kj in order to have lost 1kg of body fat.

I guess the science was almost right for me, but my body seems to put out extreme amounts of heat compared to most people, I notice out most when sleeping. My body is hot with no covers while my girlfriend is cold and covered up. Knowing this kj level really helps for me when I need to lose weight because it's an easy goal to aim for.

I should note this weight loss was not increased with cardio, I tried half of the time with no exercise more than sitting and walking to buy groceries, however every day I try to build/maintain my muscles with stretch bands for less than 15 minutes a day. the other half of the time when I had the same level of daily kj deficit I was performing long periods of intense cardio.

the research out there seems correct, your daily deficit is the most important factor in weight loss.

I should also note I didn't pay attention to how many carbs I ate however I did try to limit my fat intake, when it came to carbs I couldn't care less, I love pasta and rice too much. I think low carb diets are not effective, but eat protein when you can.

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The 37,000 number is correct, but it can be misleading in a couple of ways.

A kg of fat contains 7700 calories of food energy, so to lose that 1kg of fat, you need to burn 7700 more calories than you take in. This is well-understood and agreed upon.

When you start talking about kJ, it gets a bit more complicated and confusing. Kj is a measure of the amount of work done - for example, I have a power meter on my bicycle, and it can measure the amount of work that is done in kj. Let's assume I go out on my bicycle and do 1000 kj of work. Now, a calorie is roughly 4 times bigger than a kj (see note 1), so that would imply that I only used about 250 calories of food energy. However, humans around 20-25% efficient in converting food energy to mechanical energy, which means it takes 250 / 25% = 1000 calories of food energy to do 250 calories of mechanical work. So... what everybody does is just consider them to be equivalent.

Unless you have a way of determining power expenditure, it makes a lot more sense to just deal with calories instead of kj.

note 1: When we talk about calories WRT food, we are really talking about kilocalories in the physics sense, but nobody calls them that.

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Actually, the logic you applied to kJ applies to kcal too! You cant exactly know how much nutrients is lost in the digestive proces of a particular person, and you dont know how effectively is he or she using the calories. The physics definition of calories is the amount of energy you need to warm 1g of water by 1K. The 4kcal/gram for carbs rules are such an approximation, that when combined with all the approximations of the daily energy expenditure, you cant really tell how much exactly youre taking in and expending. Thats why 3500kcal - 1lbs does not work. – K.L. Jan 31 '13 at 11:42

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