I noticed that when I do chin ups with a close grip the exercise becomes easier and I can do a lot if reps. But when I increase the distance between my hands the exercise becomes harder, so why is that?

  • Different geometry means different muscle usage. Nov 5, 2021 at 17:12
  • What are those muscles ? @DaveNewton
    – PNT
    Nov 5, 2021 at 18:18

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By far the biggest different in grip variations in chin-ups and pull-ups is that between using a pronated (palms facing forward) grip and a supinated (palms facing backward) grip. Grip width often determines this, because most people find that the pronated grip feels more comfortable with a wider grip, and the supinated grip feels more comfortable with a narrower grip. (The reason for that is that both narrow grip pronated and wide grip supinated require a greater range of forearm rotation than most people could comfortable perform, with extreme pronation and extreme supination being respectively needed in order to get the hands parallel to the bar.)

The reason for this difference is that the biceps are not only responsible for flexing the elbow, they also supinate the forearm - i.e. rotate it so that the palm is facing up. Therefore, the biceps is not good at flexing the elbow when the forearms are pronated1 (i.e. palm down, or palms forward in the case of a pull-up), as the muscle would try to rotate the forearms, pulling the thumb and index finger away from the bar in the case of a pull-up. So with a pronated grip, the latissimus dorsi muscle must do more work to make up for the fact that the bicep is ineffective. This makes the exercise harder. This has been confirmed by EMG, which compares muscle activity between the different variations.2

Or, if you're talking about varying grip width while keeping the same grip type, then super-wide pull-ups are likely harder because the elbow flexor muscles are kept at an elongated length throughout the movement, which means they can't pull as hard and can't contribute as much to the exercise.

  • So using a shoulder wide grip in chin ups is harder than a close grip because because of what? weak lats?
    – PNT
    Nov 6, 2021 at 8:34
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    No, because the lats need to do more work. It will be harder regardless of whether your lats are weak or not. Imagine that there are four people carrying a heavy box, but then two of them let go. It will be harder for the remaining two people, because now they have to do all the work, and they won't be able to carry the box as far. Similarly, if your biceps are less effective in the wide grip, then the lats need to do more work, which makes the whole exercise harder. Nov 6, 2021 at 9:22

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