Timeline for When should and shouldn't one train to failure?
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| Oct 23, 2022 at 19:12 | comment | added | Sergey Zolotarev | @ThomasMarkov well, he's a physical therapist, you have to heed what he says | |
| Oct 23, 2022 at 14:33 | answer | added | Andy | timeline score: 1 | |
| Oct 23, 2022 at 12:24 | comment | added | Thomas Markov♦ | @SergeyZolotarev Do you believe everything Jeff says without question? Because he’s wrong far more than he’s right. | |
| Oct 21, 2022 at 22:12 | comment | added | Sergey Zolotarev | @Andy well, I hang for just ten seconds or so. And it's a wardrobe, not a pullup bar. Either my grip is so weak or my forearms are so exhausted by that point, whatever the reason, I can't pull myself up hanging on a wardrobe (even if we ignore the issue of not having any room for legs which makes it kind of inconvenient). I used to do 13 wide-grip pullups when I had a regular pullup bar accessible | |
| Oct 21, 2022 at 21:41 | comment | added | Andy | If you instead of just hanging were to pull yourself up you would train your grip, forearms, biceps, lats and abs simultaneously. After that you could do some isolation exercise(s) e.g. biceps curls to make sure the above muscles are exhausted. | |
| Oct 21, 2022 at 21:09 | comment | added | Sergey Zolotarev | It's not 20 sets "for arms". It's two sets for fingers (it's more of conditioning than strength exercise), two sets for triceps, two sets for delts, two sets for biceps, two sets of face pulls, and the rest is for forearms and grip (palm upside, palm downside, lateral contractions, hanging). Everything is important here. I incorporated exercises very reluctantly, but at the end of the day I found no way around it (for example, I unsuccessfully tried to find out an exercise for all three delt heads with the help of this site, but then gave up and began doing face pulls) | |
| Oct 21, 2022 at 21:04 | comment | added | Sergey Zolotarev | @Andy I do hip thrusts (last time it was 10 reps with three pulses at peak contraction per each rep), banded Bulgarian split squats (10 to 12 reps), banded abductions (I don't count them, I do those banded sidesteps that Jeff showed in one of his videos) and adductions (25 reps). As for the latter two exercises, I don't really train to failure and find it hard to imagine (just the range gradually gets shorter and shorter) | |
| Oct 21, 2022 at 21:00 | comment | added | Andy | Your question seems a bit confusing. You talk about strength and athletisism. However you do 20 sets for arms and none for lats. I fail to understand how 20 sets for arms is good for anything besides building huge arms. Personally I have no interest in and no knowledge about this topic. I think it would be more fruitful if you were more upfront about what you are trying to achieve. For instance perhaps by using bodybuilding as a tag. | |
| Oct 21, 2022 at 18:15 | comment | added | Sergey Zolotarev | @Andy I don't know where to fit any lat exercises, tbh. My arm days are huge as it is: ten exercises, that is 20 sets (as opposed to my usual convention of just two exercises and four sets). And it's hard to train lats without any arm overload at all (so I can't do lat exercises on arm rest days) | |
| Oct 21, 2022 at 17:05 | comment | added | Andy | OK let us assume that bent over rows is not a good exercise (I think that is wrong). Which exercises do you do for your lats? Afterall they are the largest muscle in the upper body. I think the big overall picture of your training may be wrong. Instead you may be focusing too much on tiny details. | |
| Oct 21, 2022 at 16:35 | answer | added | Andy | timeline score: 3 | |
| Oct 21, 2022 at 15:25 | comment | added | Sergey Zolotarev | @Andy because it's an inferior tricep exercise. I used to do banded pushups but then tried barbell tricep extensions, the best tricep exercise according to Jeff Cavaliere, and my triceps were sore as hell for several days on end. Pushups don't train abs, they just interfere with your ab rest days. Since you've mentioned it, Jeff also said that bent over row is one of the worst exercises for your lats | |
| Oct 21, 2022 at 13:53 | comment | added | Andy | Face pulls are great but I think you should do more exercises for your back. For instance add in bent over one arm rows with a dumbell. Also do you do push-ups? They train your triceps and pecs as well as your abs. Ideally one should train all fundamental movement patterns: t-nation.com/training/the-6-foundational-movement-patterns. | |
| Oct 21, 2022 at 11:11 | comment | added | Andy | 2 sets per exercise. Ca. twice a week. OK. But how many exercises per muscle group (e.g. legs) and typically how many reps per set? For instance if you only do 4 sets of bodyweight squats in total per week you should probably go to failure on every set. On the other hand if you do lunges, squats and jumping squats wearing a weight vest for a total of 12 sets a week you should probably not go to failure on every set. The latter approach will take more time but should generally give better results. I think you should aim for 10-20 sets per muscle group per week. | |
| Oct 21, 2022 at 8:45 | answer | added | Dark Hippo | timeline score: 3 | |
| Oct 20, 2022 at 23:45 | history | asked | Sergey Zolotarev | CC BY-SA 4.0 |